Aliens might be contacting humans as a group mind, not as individuals
Posted by Sandijs Aploks   
17.11.2010 19:58

Sandijs AploksWhat if the aliens are trying to contact us time after the time as a group mind, because individual contact with the single human due to our intellectual capacity differences is simply impossible? How to respond to them this way properly? How to identify the contact? How will exchange of the information look like?

What would the contact between the two thinking beings look like in humans interpretation?

On accidentally bumping into each other, two beings, while perceiving the environment, will recognize some weird object which is not “neutral” to this environment, and, one of them will get to the idea that in that other beings' head some information is being processed.

One of these beings will experience sudden urge, or just a practical necessity to communicate with that other being for whatever the reason.

In the case of the humans, contact with the other person means transmitting the orders or warnings, asking the questions, or synchronizing the pack culture information in order to learn or to ensure proper understanding of the orders and warnings. And, additionally to that, there are instinctive level “signals” being transmitted like the emotions, body movements, and instinctive level “activities” are being performed like biting, killing, eating the other being. And so on.

The messages that circulate between the humans contain the concepts. Some of them are as simple as eating, mating and playing. Many of the concepts are built by using simpler concepts. So, many of the concepts can be quite “information dense” by they nature and thus the contact partners can't reach the proper level of understanding until the other, emptier, person synchronizes his culture information with the complicated concepts using person. That can take some time. Mostly the understanding in the contact is never reached. And that is just in the case of the humans contacts!

In the case of the humans, the conscious thought is one single process, and the physical volume of the brain is like it is – quite small.

The contact with similar intellectual capacity being or beings pack will feel quite “familiar” to us, and, eventually, at some point those two packs of the animals will learn to establish non destructive contact. At least some smart individuals in those packs will do, even if the others will keep performing automatic instinctive actions of violence against the others.

But, what if someone with the 1 cubic meter of brains which uses several parallel conscious thought processes or even something significantly different from our thought processes might want to contact us to relay the flow of the messages? And, what if it would use in the process of the contact as the communication instrument something completely unknown to us in principle? (It would have new type of organs which would influence establishment of principally new concepts)

That being would experience major difficulties in contacting us because we would have very few concepts in common, and because we have single flow of conscious thought, which would make the contact very linear and very prolonged.

However, from the aside, the alien will be able to notice that we act as the group. And that there is information exchange going on inside that group. And that we have a pool of common knowledge which influences individual person's responses to the questions.

So it could try to contact our pack culture environment instead of performing futile individual contacts. And, with the time, the humans pack as a whole would absorb incredibly complex question and the associated culture information synchronization messages flow, and, after some long time, the culture will start to contain the understanding of the topic of this question and how the humanity responds as a whole to that question.

This idea is currently quite abstract, intuitive, it needs more analysis and modeling.

Anyway, it would be worth establishing the initiative which analyzes our information environment for the signs of unnatural information appearances and flows. If we will filtrate out the imitation of the scientific thought processes and behavior (esoteric information) we might find something interesting.

Several possible signs of unnatural information appearances in our culture comes to mind. There could be persons, who distribute novel information which was not based on learning and hard work. It might be dreams, it might be something else. Also strange motor activities in the humans might be involved. Some environmental changes or visages might be related to the contact as well. Anything new that has no trace of how entirely new concepts were created might be related to the contact. Like in the case of those ancient tales which contain information dense concepts which were produced by supposedly incredibly dumb humans.

My proposal is to look for the appearances of the information which does not have signs of how that information was created. Usually, it takes quite a lot of time to create some novel thoughts. It creates the traces like buying books, scientific magazines, reading Wikipedia, watching scientific and sci-fi TV packages, and so on. In the case of the alien interference, some new thoughts, some new concepts might pop out like from the thin air.

It is today when we finally have the necessary tools to analyse our current information environment by using Google, Microsoft, Yahoo databases to try to find the traces of potential aliens contact with us.

But, even if we would figure out that the contact is going on, at the end, would we be able to tell what we talked about with that alien with those big, sad, smart eyes?
 
Comments (4)
Joan C Abelaira - 20.11.2010 18:01
Good reflection. Really, in the same way we cannot go the forest and try to communicate with a monkey, but we can learn from and communicate to a group becaue they share a behaviour, an alien civilisation with more knowledge and capabilities can try communicating with us as a group in such a way. Presumably for a mutual wealth.
Nick Meyer - 23.11.2010 14:07
Very interesting concept.
Perhaps I got lost in the abstraction - but I cannot figure out the means of communication. The actual signal.
Communication requires information transfer by way of symbols of some sort, no matter how alien. At least information that our brains, our biology can process requires symbols as far as I can tell – unless we are talking instinctive behaviors. The symbols have to be delivered to our brains somehow. How? Without a (even rudimentary) hypothesis of what the transmission means might be, this is a rather futile speculation.
If we think of our species in a pack or group sense, our brains are still the critical component. Take away the brain and you have protein, fat and artifacts lying around. In this "group" sense - the brain is the transistor of the "human computer". Any transmission of information still has to directly impact the brains in the system. So again, how?
As an exercise in understanding inter-species communication, this is laudable and worthwhile (it is a great mind experiment, probably could yeild great insights) – but to consider it as a potential event in fact, burn research time on it – you need more solid hypothesis, IMO.
Sandijs Aploks - 23.11.2010 14:46
I remember reading few articles in the Science and/or Nature about USA military scientists who are conducting humans networks analysis related researches, and are using that knowledge to spot out important or suspicious individuals in the societies. Networks, Links, information circulation and content, and so on.

I suppose that they are using Internet data too to perform analysis, so, actually, there already are the data and the software to perform such search for alien information traces.

Also, there are out there few folks conducting research on the swarm intelligence topic - its related too.

What remains is to get some processors time from the Google and Microsoft folks.

I suppose, talented programmers may start writing "grant requests" right now - financing them will mean educating them to become useful for the military in the future.

So there is business case too?
Sandijs Aploks - 10.02.2011 21:29
How individual person would feel like, when swarm of telepathic beings or mega organism would try to speak to it alone, directly?

How the communication would look like, feel like, be perceived like if orchestrated many would communicate directly with the single one?

Imagine inflow of brief information pieces with wrongly attached emotion triggers, etc, where only careful consolidation of the contact contents would allow you to slowly perceive the message over longer period of time.

Tendency to have short and simple and well defined conversations would interfere with the need to absorb the chaos, to process and consolidate it, to distil something useful out of it.

The problem is in the way we assimilate the information. We need to use our neural machinery to create some synapses to store some new concepts and new pieces of data. If the information is complex, you can't store it all at once. Neural networks architecture has its limitations too. You have to consume it over longer period of time in sequences, thus gaining more and more of understanding of what you got to know. Something similar to learning, I suppose. So in such contacts folks would need some prior training to have some conversations patience and discipline in order to be able to emotionally handle such a funny process?

Also, the content of the conversation to analyse later would be like pieces of information to remember in three dimensional tube, which is filled with other garbage too. So the analysis of the memories in some time frame would be the way to read the message, the way to try to read the message.

As for responding to this kind of conversation, most probably it would be about some longer observation of you to see which way you reacted immediately, and a while later, and what were your actions after this information exchange. Your thoughts about various things in the longer period of time.

I hope that this highly intuitive thought was useful for the other thinkers.

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